Tag: Hinduism

Want to Chat About Ancient Scriptures Online?

I was going to start a meetup group, but thought that I’d first see if there was any interest here to have an online meetup group to chat about our favorite passages from ancient religious/philosophical scriptures of all sorts. Then we wouldn’t be limited to a certain location, but could share perspectives from all around the world! If interested, please post a comment and let me know 🙂

Here is my description of the group:

What do some of the ancient scriptures say, and what does that mean to you or what feelings does it evoke? Bring your favorite passages from the scriptures of the Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, Jewish, Christian, Islamic, or any other pre-Islamic era religion/philosophy (ancient Greek or Mesoamerican philosophy, for instance) to share and discuss.

The format will probably be that we each read a passage that we brought and then talk about how each of us felt about it and share thoughts and ideas. This isn’t the place to debate the validity of one scripture over another, nor to judge or even understand one another’s beliefs… And definitely not to try to convert anyone to your beliefs please 🙂

The point is to share and discuss ancient religious/philosophical writings from the past that we find inspiring, interesting, frightening, baffling, or maybe just cool!

I’ve always had a keen interest in the texts that shaped people’s lives, civilizations, and consequently the world and thought it would be great to meet other like-minded people to learn and (hopefully humbly) grow in knowledge and wisdom together.

Do you wonder what ancient peoples believed? Love stoic philosophy? Have a favorite Bible verse you’d love to talk about? Curious about what the Qur’an actually says? Struggling to unlock the secrets of the Tao Te Ching? Love to ponder the Dharmas? Or have any other ancient scripture based quandary? Me too! Let’s chat 🙂

Satans 2 biggest LIES

By my reckoning, satan’s two biggest/most successful lies are:

1) That he does not exist.

(This is one that most people have heard before…)

2) That religions are the cause, not the solution, to the world’s problems.

Radical acts and violence carried out in the name of religions and God are not God’s will for people and this is clear to anyone with half a conscience. If God wants to kill people it is easy for him to do so, so what makes people think they have the authority to judge their brothers and sisters?

How can we help people who believe these dangerous lies to see the error in these beliefs…?

~Shams

God Wants You to Question Your Your Beliefs!!

God’s word is true, yea?

But what about the traditions, influences, and interpretations that people make on that word? Is that necessary true? No… But it’s also not necessarily untrue, as His word holds many mysteries that require some interpretation and usually a more holistic understanding of scripture to do so fairly. Still, when something is not blatantly clear, then it is possible (I would say easy) for people to misunderstand (in earnest; they’re trying their best) or even purposefully misrepresent (for personal or even evil reasons!) the words of scripture.

So I encourage you all to question what you hear and read, even if it’s from someone you deem an authority. The only TRUE authority of all things is God, and He will guide you if you question in earnest. Pray for such guidance and search the scriptures for the truth.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, remember to question your “truths” and you will eventually find the real Truth. If you find the Truth to be in the end what you originally believed then your faith will be strengthened manyfold! If you find it to be other than your original beliefs, then wouldn’t you be glad to find yourself closer to the Truth–God’s truth? For earnest questioning and research, accompanied by the guidance of God sought through prayer, can only result in better understanding and a greater closeness to the Lord.

God is not a god of ignorance, nor does he shun those who wish to increase their knowledge of Him…

The Messiah Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) said “‘If you continue in my word, then you are truly disciples of mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.'” [John 8:32]

In the Qur’an it is written:

“And among the People of the Scripture is he who, if you entrust him with a great amount [of wealth], he will return it to you. And among them is he who, if you entrust him with a [single] silver coin, he will not return it to you unless you are constantly standing over him [demanding it]. That is because they say, “There is no blame upon us concerning the unlearned.” And they speak untruth about God while they know [it].” [3:75]

So continue in the word, and put not great faith in men–for they are mortal like you and I–and strive not to be among the unlearned.

God bless you all in this season of lent and forevermore 🙂

~Shams

Why God doesn’t want us to know He’s real

Two reasons:

1) God gave us free will. If you knew God was real, then you’d also KNOW that if you don’t do certain things and do do certain things you’d be risking going to hell. If you knew that, then although you would technically have free will, you practically wouldn’t be free to make certain choices that would send you to hell because you’d be WAY too extremely terrified of that possibility to risk it… God is a God or Righteousness. Isn’t it more righteous to allow people to choose how to live their lives freely, then to threaten them with torture if they do certain things. Heaven and Hell are not punishments but choices that we make. When we die, our state at that time become our ETERNAL, UNCHANGING state. If we died having made the choice to create suffering in others and thus simultaneously create suffering in ourselves, then our eternal choice is for suffering. If we die in a state of choosing to foster peace and love, then we shall live eternally in that state. There are other prerequisites, like believing in God is a biggie 🙂 I digress…

2) He (God) does not love arrogance. God has given us plenty of information about him through the holy books He has inspired to spread across the Earth. From every big city to surprisingly isolated villages on south-east Asian islands, practically everyone has heard of God, or has that general concept in their belief systems somewhere if they haven’t. So the choice of rejecting God is a deliberate one. One has to thing “Naw, most of the world is crazy, dumb, or delusional to believe is something like that.” Is it really so far fetched to believe that when you die you will continue living in another form. Is it any more far fetch than to say that you came out of existence from nowhere and one day you will return to nowhere. It seems easier to believe because some people adopt the notion that only what they can see and hear is real. Yet we rely on unseen radio, microwaves, gravity, electricity, the list goes on. A clue perhaps? Isn’t it a little arrogant to think that you are capable of perceiving all the layers and forces that exist around and within us. You can’t even see your own face most of the time… I think that’s a humbling thought.

It’s Hard to Talk about God…

It’s hard for me to talk to people about God…

I think it’s because a lot of believers don’t take God as seriously a I do, and many of those who do ARE WAY TOO SERIOUS ABOUT IT. Now this might seem like a contradiction, but allow me to explain.

If you believe in God, the REAL God who created EVERYTHING and allowed every religion to exist and probably was the motivation behind at least a few, wouldn’t you want to know what He has to say? Not what people have to say about him (cause what to they know) or what you’d like to believe, but what HE ACTUALLY HAS TO SAY?

I sure do.

But a lot of religious people don’t take the time to really read their own religious scriptures. And so their whole conception of God is based on wishy-washy feelings, human logic (which is often just WRONG by the way, even if it makes sense – Spiritual vs. Temporal Wisdom), or what someone else told them (and by the way I am skeptical of priests, imams, etc. They are just men like us and so susceptible to flaw, confusion, and even corruption). I just have no interest in hearing these viewpoints, if they are not somehow scripturally based…

Then there are those who ACTUALLY READ THE SCRIPTURES, but more often than not (in my mind, and please correct me if I’m wrong) these people take life and the world TOO SERIOUSLY. In my opinion it is good to be serious about these things, but not to ACT serious. God also invented LAUGHTER, JOKES, and SILLINESS, and nowhere does make these things out to be a sin.

I shall pray that I find more like-minded people with while to share my love and fascination for God and all of his creations.

If you are one of these people, please leave a comment below so I know that I’m not alone!!

God bless 🙂

~Jones

Let me tell you something about GOD…

God’s going to give you what you want, because He’s cool like that.

If you want to be with Him, then so shall it be.

If you don’t want to be with Him, also shall it be.

But let me tell you something about God,

and then not being with God.

God is all the good things and feelings in the world, without a trace of the negative.

Not being with God is to be cut off from any trace of that.

No hope. For hope is good.

So when you choose your ETERNITY you’ve got to choose.

God or no God?

Your Choice.

God Bless.

~Jones

What does GOD want you to KNOW?

This isn’t some whishy-washy religious feelgood cliche.

God wants you to know that He loves you, even if you are the most detestable person in the world, He loves you (a WHOLE LOT!) unconditionally. And He wants you to know this because if you choose His side you will FEEL AMAZINGLY GOOD when you die, but if you pick the other side you will be cast into darkness. The real sadness and terror of hell is knowing that you are eternally separated from GOD who is the source of all goodness and love. This means you are ETERNALLY SEPARATED FROM ANY HOPE of feeling loved, accepted, cared for, etc. INSTEAD OF eternally separated from all DARKNESS and negative feelings.

God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.(John 1:5)

~Jones

How LANGUAGE is the source of SPIRITUAL DETACHMENT

I hope you find this as interesting and enlightening as I did…

 

“Whenever something is said, the opposite of it is denied. Whenever something is said, something is simultaneously denied. If I say `God is within;, `God is without’ is denied. I have not mentioned it at all. But if I say `God is without’, then `God is within’ is denied. If I say, `To be silent you have to move inwards,’ it is implied that if you move outwards, you will never be silent. So whatsoever is said in language always negates something. This means that language can never cover the whole of life. Or, if you try to cover the whole of life, language becomes illogical, irrational. If I say, `God is within and God is without,’ it becomes meaningless. If I say, `Everything is God,’ it becomes meaningless. If I say, `Whether you go out or whether you go in, silence can be achieved,’ no meaning is carried then because I am saying both — both the opposites simultaneously. I am putting them together; they negate each other — and then nothing is said.

It has been tried. It has been tried many times that the whole of life be covered by linguistic expression.

It has never been successful, and it cannot be. You can do it, but then your assertions become mystic; they don’t carry any meaning. Logic has some requirements to be fulfilled — and language is logic.
If you ask me, `Are you here?’ and I say, `Yes, in a sense I am here, and in a sense I am not here,’ or I say, `Both yes and no,’ then if you love me you will call me a mystic; if you

don’t love me, you will call me a madman — because how can both be? Either I am here — then I must say yes; or I am not here — then I must say no. But if I say yes and no both together, I am taking a jump out of the logical structure of the language.
Language is always a choice. Because of this, all the cultures, all the societies, all the civilizations become one-sided. And no culture can exist without language. Really, language creates the culture. Man is the only language animal; no other animal creates any culture or society or civilization. Only man creates culture and civilization and society. And with language, choice enters; and with choice, imbalance. No animal is imbalanced, remember. Only man is imbalanced. All animals exist in deep balance: trees and rocks and everything. Everything is balanced; only man is imbalanced. What is the problem? — that man lives through language. Language creates choice.

If I say to someone that he is both beautiful and ugly, the sentence carries no meaning.

Ugly and beautiful both? — what do you mean? If I say, `You are beautiful,’ it is meaningful. If I say, `You are ugly,’ it is meaningful. But if I say, `You are both. You are wise and foolish both,’ it cannot carry any meaning. But reality is so. Really, no one is simply ugly and no one is simply beautiful. Wherever beauty exists, ugliness exists; wherever ugliness exists, beauty exists. They are part of one whole. And wherever wisdom exists, foolishness exists. You cannot find a wise man who is not also a fool, and you cannot find a fool who is not also a wise man.
It may be difficult for you to conceive, because whenever you say, `This man is a fool,’ you stop searching, you are closed, you have closed the door. You say, `This man is a fool.’ Now you are not going to search for his wisdom. And even if his wisdom is revealed to you, you will not listen to it. You will say, `This man is a fool. How can he be a wise man? It is impossible; something wrong has happened. He must have done it in a foolish way. This is something accidental. He cannot be wise.’ If you decide that this man is wise and then something foolish comes out of him, you cannot believe it, or you will have come explanations and you will rationalize it — that this must be wise.
Life is both together, but language divides. Language is a choice. Because of this, every culture creates its own choice-pattern.

In the east they developed technology, they developed scientific research; they developed all that is now developed in the west. Five thousand years ago they developed everything, and then they felt the meaninglessness of it — as it is now felt in the west. They felt that it was useless.

When they felt that it was useless, they turned to the opposite extreme. They said, `Now turn within. Whatsoever is without is illusory, it leads nowhere. Turn within.’ Then science stopped growing, then technology stopped. Not only stopped: when they turned within, they started condemning all that was without. `Just live the life which is in! Leave all that is without!’ They became against the world, life-negative, denying all that is material… only the spiritual, the pure spiritual.

Life is both. Really, to say life is both is not right. Life is one. That which we call material is just one expression of the spiritual, and that which we call spiritual is nothing but one expression of the material. Life is one. The within and without are not two opposite things, just two poles of one existence.
But whenever a society reaches to the extreme of one choice — because one choice is bound to be extremist — immediately you will miss the other, and that which you miss, you feel more. That which you have, you can forget, but that which you miss, you feel

more. So the east, at the peak of scientific and technological development, felt the absurdity of it: it is useless, you cannot attain silence through it, you cannot attain bliss through it, so throw it away, renounce it, move inward, move to the inner world.

And then this inner movement automatically became a denial of the outer.
In the west that is happening now. Now the west has attained to a technological height; now the meaninglessness is felt. Now India has gone to the depths of poverty. It was bound to happen, because the eastern mind started moving inwards. When you move inwards at the cost of all that is without, you are going to be poor, and you are going to be in bondage, and you are going to be in disease and suffering. That is bound to be so. Now India is not interested in meditation, India is not interested in the inner world, India is not interested in the nirvana. India is interested in the modern technology. The Indian student is interested in engineering, in medical science. The Indian genius is going to the west to learn the know-how, the atomic energy. And the western genius is interested in coming to the east to know what meditation is, to know how to move in the inner space. And they have achieved. For the first time in the history of man they have known how to move in the outer space. They have reached the moon. Now that they have reached the moon the thing has become absurd. Now they are asking, `What will come out of it? Even if we have gone to the moon, what has happened? — man remains in the same misery.’ The moon is not going to help, because you can transfer man to the moon, but he remains the same man.

So movement in the outer space seems to be of no use, a wastage of energy. How to move in the inner space?
Now they turn to the east, and the east is turning to the west — again the choice. If the west turns to the east completely, within two or three centuries the west will become poor. Look at the hippies — they are already doing that. And if the new western generation turns absolutely hippie, then who is going to work for the technology, and who is going to work for the industry, and who is going to work for the civilization that the west has achieved? It takes centuries and centuries to achieve something; you can lose it within a generation.

If the generation denies and says, `We are not going to the universities,’ what can you do? The old generation — how long can it prolong it? Twenty years and everything can disappear, just through the denial of the new generation — `I am not going to the university~’ And they are leaving, they are becoming dropouts. They say, `What is the use of big cars, of big houses, of a big technology, when there is no love? When there is no peace of mind, what is the use of all this wealth? What is the use of this high standard of living when there is no life? So leave this!’

Within two centuries the west can go to the very depths of poverty. It has happened in the east. In the days of the Mahabharat, almost the same technology was developed in the east.

Then it was found to be of no use. And if the Indian mind turns to technology, within two generations religion will disappear — it has already disappeared — and just the word `meditation’ will look out of date. If you talk about the inner, people will think you are not in your senses: `What do you mean by the inner? There is no inner.’

This happens because of the language — because language is a choice, and the mind moves to the extreme. And when it moves to one extreme, the other is lost. And with the

other, many qualities disappear, and when they disappear you feel the hunger for them. Then you again move to the other extreme. Then something else is lost.
So no total culture has been born yet, and it cannot be born unless man learns to remain silent, unless silence becomes the very core of human mind. Not language but silence — because in silence you are whole, in language you are always part. Unless humanity starts living through silence — not through language, not through mind, but through the totality of the being — no total culture is possible. Only total human beings can constitute a total culture.”

~The Book of Secrets